tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2723136477037844670.post2247578968835552830..comments2024-03-12T06:36:05.379-07:00Comments on A Vietnam War Clerk's Diary: Diary Entry 13: Saigon, Tuesday, 22 June 1965J.R. Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10342024311554833973noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2723136477037844670.post-68228037627871075562013-08-16T13:29:43.652-07:002013-08-16T13:29:43.652-07:00On behalf of the Dibbert family I would like to re...On behalf of the Dibbert family I would like to respond to LTC Clark’s entry regarding my father’s death on June 1, 1965.<br /><br />Let me begin with the following excerpt from DOD documents released on June 2, 1965:<br /><br />“Heavy government casualties were suffered by government forces when VC ambushed three convoys following an attack on Le Thanh District Headquarters. At about 0815H, the province chief and six members of the Ministry of the Interior, accompanied by a security force of two RF platoons, one intelligence and reconnaissance platoon, and five U.S. Army Advisors left Pleiku en route to Le Thanh district headquarters on a routine visit. The convoy was about one third of the way when they learned that Le Thanh had been attacked and overrun by an estimated VC Battalion. The convoy stopped and the security force began a sweep to clear each side of the road to a depth of 50 meters. The clearing force was caught about 1000H by VC on the north side of the road as it was completing its sweeping operation.”<br /><br />It is readily apparent that LTC Clark had no personal knowledge of what happened on June 1st and was seriously misinformed, even though he made his entry on June 22nd, three weeks after the attack. As noted above:<br /><br />1. It was not a “reconnaissance” operation.<br /><br />2. The convoy included a significant security force. The statement “no weapons, no security” is incorrect. <br /> <br />Clark’s reference to my father getting “zapped” is unnecessarily callous, especially since he was awarded a Silver Star for gallantry in action and left behind a wife and five sons. But in fairness to Clark, I have been told that in some quarters the word was used frequently during the war. Furthermore, I don’t know if Clark ever intended to publish his diary, let alone in its current form. Perhaps if he had edited it himself, he would have changed the wording. And surely, he would have recalled my father’s correct name.<br /><br />What is most troubling, however, is Clark’s assertion that my father was “very careless.” In 2005 I personally met with my father’s interpreter who survived the ambush. I have also spoken with several US Army officers who were in Pleiku during the time of the attack. And I have done considerable research in an attempt to uncover exactly what happened. No one has ever suggested that my father was careless, and those who knew him and worked with him unanimously agree that he was an outstanding professional soldier. As underscored by the anonymous comment entered in defense of my father on June 7, 2011, carelessness just wasn’t in his DNA. <br /><br />The ambushes which occurred on June 1st marked a turning point in the war because they provided concrete evidence that the 325th North Vietnamese Regular Army had infiltrated the Central Highlands in significant numbers. Over 58,000 American soldiers died in Vietnam; my father was the 500th casualty. His death was a shock to the Army, and the trajectory of American involvement in Vietnam changed dramatically shortly thereafter. <br /><br />Personal diaries which soldiers keep during war can provide important insights which historians may find useful. Unfortunately, at the end of Diary Entry 13: Saigon, Tuesday, 22 June 1965, Clark made a thoughtless, inaccurate, poorly worded and unnecessary comment about my father’s death. Being an Army brat himself and the editor of his father’s diary, I’m sure Clark’s son can understand my desire to set the record straight.<br /><br />Michael T. Dibbert<br /><br /> <br />Dallas, Texas<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2723136477037844670.post-74400106342212809232011-06-09T20:48:08.442-07:002011-06-09T20:48:08.442-07:00Anonymous,
Thank you again for your comment.
C...Anonymous,<br /><br />Thank you again for your comment. <br /><br />Colonel Richard Paris Clark, Jr. died in Atlanta, Georgia, on 19 October 1996. He is buried at Arlington National Cemetery, section 60, grave 2928.<br /><br />My name is J.R. Clark. I teach history and am related to him. <br /><br />When I was organizing his personal papers following his death, I discovered his diary and believed it had historical value as a primary source.<br /><br />The diary reminded me of "A Rebel War Clerk's Diary," written by John B. Jones, a journalist who kept a diary of his experience as a bureaucrat in the headquarters of the Confederate War Department from 1861-1865. <br /><br />If you ever read "A Rebel War Clerk's Diary," you will recognize that Jones was just as cynical, arrogant, self-righteous, opinionated, and prone to gossip as Clark was a century later. <br /><br />However, Civil War historians consider Jones' diary a valuable primary source because it provides them with a real-time perspective on life in wartime Richmond. <br /><br />I believe in the same manner, Clark's diary is valuable to Vietnam War historians because it provides them with a perspective on life in Saigon during 1965-1966.<br /><br />Right or wrong, this was Clark's opinion regarding Lieutenant Colonel Dibbert's death on 22 June 1965.J.R. Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342024311554833973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2723136477037844670.post-42921022623038976382011-06-09T18:50:48.377-07:002011-06-09T18:50:48.377-07:00Mr Clark,
Your response validates my original obs...Mr Clark,<br /><br />Your response validates my original observations:<br /><br />- You do not address my central criticism, your offhand comment about LTC Dibbert without documentation or substantial evidence.<br /><br />- Instead, you deflect my focus by claiming 'personal attack' and my comments are not ad hominem. If you served on the tip of the spear I respect and salute that. However, I know all too well that a DD 214 and award of ribbon can be misleading. I was awarded a bronze star for riding the bus from the BOQ to MACV HQs. Then ignored when I repeatedly ventured into harm's way. I sat on a panel which awarded a senior officer a ribbon because the senior board member noted "This will complete his 2nd row of ribbons."<br />I am not saying your awards are bogus, but rather that I don't accept them as the proof that you are all things to all men.<br /><br />If anything, my comments don't attack you, but present you as the metaphor for what went wrong there. <br /><br />You were once a combat savvy leader. Now you prize your photo ops with rank, present the trivial as if important, provide no <br />new or useful insight, and throw a fellow officer under the bus.<br /><br />Once again I bring the focus laser like onto your unsubstantiated comments about Dibbert. If you have documentation, produce it.<br />If you have credible witnesses identify them.<br /><br />If your comments are your opinion, based on rumor or hearsay, then state that clearly. You owe that to a fallen fellow officer. You owe that to the family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2723136477037844670.post-89420090418926748052011-06-08T13:43:07.350-07:002011-06-08T13:43:07.350-07:00Anonymous,
Thank you for your comment.
Before yo...Anonymous,<br /><br />Thank you for your comment.<br /><br />Before you engage in personal attacks, please read the Introduction...or, better yet, take a look at the photograph at the top of the page. Note that the man you disdain as a "staff officer" has a Combat Infantryman Badge, parachutist wings with 2 combat jump stars, and a Presidential Unit Citation. He made 2 combat jumps at Sukchon and Munsan-ni in 1950-51 and led troops at the point of the spear in Korea as an Airborne Infantry platoon leader.<br /><br />Clark also personally knew Dibbert, as they were both members of the Class of 1962 at the Command and General Staff College.<br /> <br />This diary contains Clark's personal observations and opinions. You have every right to disagree with what he wrote. In historical terms, it is a primary source and you should not confuse his diary with a definitive history of the Vietnam War during 1965 and 1966. <br /><br />Regarding the anecdote you cited, which took place at the logistic base at Cam Ranh Bay...of course you are entitled to your opinion. However, I will cite Lieutenant General Joseph Heiser's "Vietnam Studies: Logistic Support" to bring perspective to Clark's anecdote: (pages 34-35)<br /><br />"Logistic security, including the physical protection of logistic personnel, installations, facilities, and equipment was one of the more critical aspects of the logistic effort in Vietnam. Ambushes, sapper and rocket attacks and pilferage caused logistics commanders to be constantly aware of the necessity for strict security measures. The tactical situation was not always evident or given consideration during the installation construction planning phase. There were no 'secure' rear areas. Often planning personnel did not fully appreciate the tactical situation, and some installations were constructed at the base of unsecured high ground, making the dominant terrain feature a prize for the enemy for observation purposes as well as offensive action.<br /><br />"Of special help to the logistic commanders were the combat arms officers on the U.S. Army Vietnam and the Support Command STAFFS [my emphasis] who advised and assisted them on security matters. With their guidance, logistic commanders were able to improvise within their own resources and provide an acceptable degree of security."J.R. Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342024311554833973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2723136477037844670.post-86926528858326019862011-06-07T18:27:14.984-07:002011-06-07T18:27:14.984-07:00I am apalled, but not surprised, at Clark's of...I am apalled, but not surprised, at Clark's offhand treatment of the death of LTC Bernard Dibbert. <br /><br />He treats this loss as if it were a fly getting 'zapped.' His unspoken judgement is a personal indictment of LTC Dibbert. As usual, he can't even get his facts straight. <br /><br />For the civilians who were never there Clark's assertion that LTC Dibbert was careless in his job is like saying Ali carelessly left his gloves off or your U.S. Senator forgot he was up for re-election. By his statements Clark shows himself to be a spineless staff officer who should leave combat action to the adults in the room. <br /><br />I've read thru his diary, and I was in country in jobs which put me in the main Command briefing at MACV Headquarters and in a jeep with just one other guy 20 clicks into Clark's VC Tax territory. My opinion of this work is that is incomplete, inaccurate, trivial, self-serving, and misleading. A complete treatment is not appropriate here because I wish to focus on the single point of his manifestly misleading comment about LTC Dibbert.<br /><br />However, one very telling- and alarming- anecdote presented by Clark himself tells those with experience in the country what an alarmist nitwit they were dealing with: Clark describes how he walked around the work area with firearm locked, loaded, AND COCKED. Any 2nd Lt, Sergeant, and especially Dibbert, would have taken Clark aside and said<br /> "Look! If you want to blow your foot off walking up some stairs that's fine. But I don't want you blowing my nuts and kneecaps off when you have a seat in the O Club. Clear that weapon, lock but don't load. Get the weapon off full cock, and your brain off half-cock!" The biggest danger to Clark was himself. <br /><br />I directly challenge Clark to produce reports, evidence, eyewitness accounts, or any other documentation to prove his assertion that LTC Dibbert was "careless" to the point of causing his own death, as Clark presents by innuendo. I have seen staff officers of this stripe, recognize them, have a disdain for them, and would gladly follow an officer like Dibbert regardless of the circumstances of his loss. <br /><br />If Clark cannot produce credible information, I think he should publicly apologize to the Dibbert family, getting the man's name correct this time, and all the real warriors like LTC Dibbert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com